Powerful interview on Stephen Nolan show with Mr. Charles Little, son-in-law of Michael and Marjorie Cawdry, killed in their Armagh home in May 2017, talking about the failure of mental health services to learn lessons in order to stop further, entirely preventable deaths from happening, ‘the only way you are going to address it properly is by learning from what has happened before’. He highlights the fact that the Department of Health is ignoring its own research recommendations on Serious Adverse Incidents, that reports are simply filed away and that there is no verification process to ensure recommendations are being implemented. Charles Little speaks for so many families who have been dreadfully harmed by the failure of mental health; to, in his words ‘get a grip’ on all of this.